tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6775918575844932993.post5243389414642033277..comments2023-10-30T04:46:22.935-07:00Comments on TNIV Truth: questions from a visitorR. Mansfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12333586197235312918noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6775918575844932993.post-12275021007323602062010-01-30T10:15:03.751-08:002010-01-30T10:15:03.751-08:00Might it not be better translated as "human r...Might it not be better translated as "human race?"WoundedEgohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10587474211232415755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6775918575844932993.post-13750562956118676632008-10-24T12:13:00.000-07:002008-10-24T12:13:00.000-07:00All the Dutch versions I could find (from the Stat...All the Dutch versions I could find (from the Statenvertaling 1637 up until the NBV 2004) have mens. Mens means human, like the German Mensch. None of the versions I could find had man (gender specific).<BR/>This seems to be a problem of the English language. Clearly the meaning "human" is intended...Ruud Vermeijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06947453585488967314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6775918575844932993.post-91586244180767378062008-10-24T10:57:00.000-07:002008-10-24T10:57:00.000-07:00The "Passages Most Commonly Asked About" search at...<A HREF="http://www.tniv.info/abouttnivbible.php" REL="nofollow">The "Passages Most Commonly Asked About" search at tniv.info</A> is indeed not working at present, but I suspect that the problem is a temporary database error as the link to this search is still there.<BR/><BR/>On this particular issue, I would expect that the translators judged, from the use of the Greek word <I>anthropos</I> here, that the point which Paul is making is that Adam and Jesus shared humanity, not that they shared maleness. Their gender is entirely irrelevant to the discussion, and indeed theologically misleading because introducing this red herring here might suggest that women have no responsibility for the Fall and so no need of salvation. I hope you don't want a Bible translation to teach this!<BR/><BR/>Indeed I wonder if in this verse Paul is referring specifically to Adam or more generically to all humankind at the time of the Fall, i.e. both Adam and Eve - as in fact the KJV rendering "since by man came death ..." suggests.<BR/><BR/>By the way, I note that <A HREF="http://www.ibs.org/bible/books/?q=nivuk" REL="nofollow">the Anglicised NIV is now online</A>, but for some unexplained reason not the Anglicised TNIV.Peter Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13395635409427347613noreply@blogger.com